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		<title>By: A Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/06/07/just-wondering/comment-page-1/#comment-1687</link>
		<dc:creator>A Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, &lt;i&gt;kawaii&lt;/i&gt; (可愛い) is anything inherently lovable on sight.  Translatable as &quot;cute&quot; and covering a lot of the same territory, it implies smallness and cleanliness and immaturity.

  &lt;i&gt;Moe &lt;/i&gt; (萌え) on the other hand is something that inspires infatuation or fascination.  While classic moe certainly has elements of helplessness, it depends on taste and in theory at least a relatively tough girl or tsundere could also be moe.  The term has a more adult association than &quot;kawaii,&quot; and has a larger element of intangibles such as personality and behavior factored in, instead of just appearances.

  By definition emo cannot be moe.  The latter cannot (appear to) be self-conscious, while the former is incapable of comprehending a world existing outside of itself.

Here&#039;s to hoping tags work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, <i>kawaii</i> (可愛い) is anything inherently lovable on sight.  Translatable as &#8220;cute&#8221; and covering a lot of the same territory, it implies smallness and cleanliness and immaturity.</p>
<p>  <i>Moe </i> (萌え) on the other hand is something that inspires infatuation or fascination.  While classic moe certainly has elements of helplessness, it depends on taste and in theory at least a relatively tough girl or tsundere could also be moe.  The term has a more adult association than &#8220;kawaii,&#8221; and has a larger element of intangibles such as personality and behavior factored in, instead of just appearances.</p>
<p>  By definition emo cannot be moe.  The latter cannot (appear to) be self-conscious, while the former is incapable of comprehending a world existing outside of itself.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to hoping tags work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenotic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For &quot;moe,&quot; watch Mikuru on Haruhi -- she was created to be the stereotype. Cute, helpless, waif-like, innocent with nary a bad thought towards others in her mind, an in need of defense. &quot;Air&quot; and &quot;Kanon&quot; seem to be other good examples.

While I don&#039;t think all &quot;moe&quot; is bad (I love Kamichu, which de-emphasizes the &quot;helpless, defenseless&quot; aspect), there does seem to be a fetish to it that seems a bit wrong when taken to the extreme.

&quot;Cute&quot; can just be &quot;Cute&quot; without being waif-life - Totoro and Denno Coil come to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For &#8220;moe,&#8221; watch Mikuru on Haruhi &#8212; she was created to be the stereotype. Cute, helpless, waif-like, innocent with nary a bad thought towards others in her mind, an in need of defense. &#8220;Air&#8221; and &#8220;Kanon&#8221; seem to be other good examples.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think all &#8220;moe&#8221; is bad (I love Kamichu, which de-emphasizes the &#8220;helpless, defenseless&#8221; aspect), there does seem to be a fetish to it that seems a bit wrong when taken to the extreme.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cute&#8221; can just be &#8220;Cute&#8221; without being waif-life &#8211; Totoro and Denno Coil come to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Bear</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry about the slash marks above... I forgot to enter the anti-spam and didn&#039;t see them until too late when I cut and paste the comment back.  Blah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry about the slash marks above&#8230; I forgot to enter the anti-spam and didn&#8217;t see them until too late when I cut and paste the comment back.  Blah!</p>
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		<title>By: FhnuZoag</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think moe is a bit more creepy than kawaii, and also is a bit more implicit of an older male audience-young female character dynamic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think moe is a bit more creepy than kawaii, and also is a bit more implicit of an older male audience-young female character dynamic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bear</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From AnimeNewsNetwork\&#039;s Lexicon (abridged)...

Kawii = \&quot;In terms understandable to Western sensibilities, it might be said that kawaii embodies that quality of saccharine adorableness found in kittens and plush toys.\&quot;

Moe = \&quot;To be moe, a character can be eager or perky, not overly independent, and call forth a desire in the viewer to protect them and nurture them. The term is also used to describe any preciously cute item; there is an animal mascot character store in Tokyo called Moe.\&quot;

In Americanese, I guess you could say something Moe can be Kawaii, but something Kawaii is not necessarily Moe.  Also, most definitions of Moe that I have seen seem to stress the \&quot;defenselessness\&quot; portion.  (how\&#039;s that for an great scrabble word, score it up... what\&#039;s that, I hit a triple word score? Tally me up 107 points, please. Now what to do with all these frick\&#039;en Q\&#039;s on my rack.)


And the emo joke... bad, just bad.  I\&#039;m afraid my 2000 point Space Marine division of Goth-Loli\&#039;s are going to have to bring the pain and spill some emoe blood...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From AnimeNewsNetwork\&#8217;s Lexicon (abridged)&#8230;</p>
<p>Kawii = \&#8221;In terms understandable to Western sensibilities, it might be said that kawaii embodies that quality of saccharine adorableness found in kittens and plush toys.\&#8221;</p>
<p>Moe = \&#8221;To be moe, a character can be eager or perky, not overly independent, and call forth a desire in the viewer to protect them and nurture them. The term is also used to describe any preciously cute item; there is an animal mascot character store in Tokyo called Moe.\&#8221;</p>
<p>In Americanese, I guess you could say something Moe can be Kawaii, but something Kawaii is not necessarily Moe.  Also, most definitions of Moe that I have seen seem to stress the \&#8221;defenselessness\&#8221; portion.  (how\&#8217;s that for an great scrabble word, score it up&#8230; what\&#8217;s that, I hit a triple word score? Tally me up 107 points, please. Now what to do with all these frick\&#8217;en Q\&#8217;s on my rack.)</p>
<p>And the emo joke&#8230; bad, just bad.  I\&#8217;m afraid my 2000 point Space Marine division of Goth-Loli\&#8217;s are going to have to bring the pain and spill some emoe blood&#8230;</p>
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