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		<title>By: fledgling otaku</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1364</link>
		<dc:creator>fledgling otaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now I am really confused. and still conflicted about which one to buy, let alone when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now I am really confused. and still conflicted about which one to buy, let alone when.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayle</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every DVD Player (as well as HD-DVD and Blu-ray) and every digital HDTV have video scalers built-in to handle format conversion.  The quality of the scalers can vary quite a bit.

I've been poking around the net for information on the various Toshiba models for a few weeks now, but didn't save any links.  I'd suggest you start by poking around avsforum.com.  There is an HD-DVD subforum, you can also go searching.  As you might expect, you'll find all kinds of conflicting posts; what I extracted was that the HD-A30/A35 was superior to the A3 in scaling; however, the A3 scaler is still quite good.

OK, went away for awhile, so I see there's been some followup.  From what I've read, there have been some firmware fixes, also, while upscaling interlaced video to 1080p@60 Hz is supposed to have some problems currently, the IVTC is supposed to be good and the 1080p@24 Hz is supposed to be very good (that's presupposing you have an HD monitor that supports that format...)

DVD specified output is 60i, but the encoding of frames on the disc can be progressive with flags to tell the decoder to repeat particular fields to produce 60i.  Progressive DVD players will do some combination of paying attention to the designed output frames and looking at the repeat field flags to decide how to produce progressive video (unfortunately, many DVDs in the past had some oddities with the various frame/field flags so a DVD player couldn't just look at those flags and be done with it, instead, they're treated as hints)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every DVD Player (as well as HD-DVD and Blu-ray) and every digital HDTV have video scalers built-in to handle format conversion.  The quality of the scalers can vary quite a bit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been poking around the net for information on the various Toshiba models for a few weeks now, but didn&#8217;t save any links.  I&#8217;d suggest you start by poking around avsforum.com.  There is an HD-DVD subforum, you can also go searching.  As you might expect, you&#8217;ll find all kinds of conflicting posts; what I extracted was that the HD-A30/A35 was superior to the A3 in scaling; however, the A3 scaler is still quite good.</p>
<p>OK, went away for awhile, so I see there&#8217;s been some followup.  From what I&#8217;ve read, there have been some firmware fixes, also, while upscaling interlaced video to 1080p@60 Hz is supposed to have some problems currently, the IVTC is supposed to be good and the 1080p@24 Hz is supposed to be very good (that&#8217;s presupposing you have an HD monitor that supports that format&#8230;)</p>
<p>DVD specified output is 60i, but the encoding of frames on the disc can be progressive with flags to tell the decoder to repeat particular fields to produce 60i.  Progressive DVD players will do some combination of paying attention to the designed output frames and looking at the repeat field flags to decide how to produce progressive video (unfortunately, many DVDs in the past had some oddities with the various frame/field flags so a DVD player couldn&#8217;t just look at those flags and be done with it, instead, they&#8217;re treated as hints)</p>
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		<title>By: fledgling otaku</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1362</link>
		<dc:creator>fledgling otaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahh. the bottom line tho is that the 1080p is useless for upscaling standard DVD though, correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahh. the bottom line tho is that the 1080p is useless for upscaling standard DVD though, correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Anachronda</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>Anachronda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really; both will give you 30 full frames a second. Well, 29.97...

The interlaced player will display 60 half frames a second, yielding 30 full frames a second. The progressive play waits until it has both fields, but is still displaying 30 full frames a second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really; both will give you 30 full frames a second. Well, 29.97&#8230;</p>
<p>The interlaced player will display 60 half frames a second, yielding 30 full frames a second. The progressive play waits until it has both fields, but is still displaying 30 full frames a second.</p>
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		<title>By: fledgling otaku</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>fledgling otaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah, you are probably right. but doesnt that imply that the progressive scan player is actually giving yo half the temporal resolution? to paste the two halves together youd need to wait twice as long for a complete frame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah, you are probably right. but doesnt that imply that the progressive scan player is actually giving yo half the temporal resolution? to paste the two halves together youd need to wait twice as long for a complete frame.</p>
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		<title>By: Anachronda</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Anachronda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Standard DVDs are 480p."

Are they? I was under the impression they were 480i; TVs are, after all, 525i (at least in the US). A quick googling (as well as too much time spent fiddling with the innards of mpeg2dec) leads me to believe that the DVD itself is 480i and 480p players paste the two halves of an i frame together to make a p frame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Standard DVDs are 480p.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are they? I was under the impression they were 480i; TVs are, after all, 525i (at least in the US). A quick googling (as well as too much time spent fiddling with the innards of mpeg2dec) leads me to believe that the DVD itself is 480i and 480p players paste the two halves of an i frame together to make a p frame.</p>
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		<title>By: fledgling otaku</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>fledgling otaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/toshiba-hd-a30/4505-6463_7-32563583.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;the CNet review&lt;/a&gt; says that the 1080p performance of the A30 was subpar. Hmm. This really suggests I get an A3, but do I wait for further price reductions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/toshiba-hd-a30/4505-6463_7-32563583.html" rel="nofollow">the CNet review</a> says that the 1080p performance of the A30 was subpar. Hmm. This really suggests I get an A3, but do I wait for further price reductions?</p>
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		<title>By: fledgling otaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>fledgling otaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kayle, can you point me to some details on that? I appreciate that heads up. I hadnt even considered that the qualty of the upscaler might be an issue, I need to get educated on this a bit more. Apparently HDTVs also have upscalers built in, too...

If anything I think it tells me to wait - the A3 is going to sell out before March, but people might balk at the A30. So if I wait, I might be able to get the A30 for even lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kayle, can you point me to some details on that? I appreciate that heads up. I hadnt even considered that the qualty of the upscaler might be an issue, I need to get educated on this a bit more. Apparently HDTVs also have upscalers built in, too&#8230;</p>
<p>If anything I think it tells me to wait - the A3 is going to sell out before March, but people might balk at the A30. So if I wait, I might be able to get the A30 for even lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayle</title>
		<link>http://www.haibane.info/2008/02/21/to-1080p-or-not-to-1080p/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From poking around, it sounds like the A30 (and A35) have a far superior scaling chip than the A3.  For $30 more, I think you should go with the A30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From poking around, it sounds like the A30 (and A35) have a far superior scaling chip than the A3.  For $30 more, I think you should go with the A30.</p>
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